Pretty Funny

**sup-rbeast** · January 13th, 2008, 10:18 PM

Classic...and true.

**PVVikings2006** · January 15th, 2008, 11:18 AM

to the ACC...... a lil bit anyway.

SEC vs ACC Football

The SEC vs ACC football rivalry has dramatically increased in recent years. Obviously, the two conferences are close to each other geographically. In fact, they overlap each other in certain states. For instance, South Carolina has Clemson University (ACC) and the University of South Carolina (SEC). Georgia has the University of Georgia (SEC) and Georgia Tech (ACC). Florida has the University of Florida (SEC) and Miami (ACC) and Florida State (ACC).

Those intra-state rivalries are some of the best rivalries in college football. The geographic proximity of the two conferences causes natural competition for the same athletes, fans, and media.

Also, there were some hard feelings when Florida State decided to join the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), rather than the Southeastern Conference (SEC). There are many theories for why they chose the ACC (personally I think they chose the ACC so they could dominate the previously, generally, weak ACC football programs) -- but anyway, it left a bad taste in the mouths of some SEC fans.

But, most importantly, the SEC vs ACC football rivalry has increased because ACC football has improved. The ACC used to be primarily a basketball conference with sleepy football programs. But, the recent additions of Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech and Boston College have turned the ACC into a true college football power.

We rank the ACC as the 3rd best college football conference (behind the SEC and Big Ten). We do this because the ACC simply lacks the history and tradition of the other major football conferences. And that is really important.

But, ACC football is certainly improving. The ACC has 2 of the 3 big college schools in talent-rich Florida and ACC schools have better media access and coverage along the population-rich East (Atlantic) Coast. People and money will continue to strengthen ACC sports, including football.

Despite a down year in 2006, ACC football will challenge the SEC for college football supremacy in the years to come. [However, the ACC will never dominate its markets as the SEC does and thus will never pass SEC football up ? IMHO.]

So, what is the SEC vs ACC football all-time, head-to-head, football record? Here you go (updated through the 2006 season):

The SEC holds an 245-114-10 (.678) all-time advantage.

Since 1990, the SEC leads the ACC in head-to-head games with a 65-50-2 (.564) record.

**PVVikings2006** · January 15th, 2008, 11:23 AM

Which college sports conference has the best all time NCAA basketball conference record?

SEC vs. Big Ten; SEC vs. Big East; SEC vs. ACC; SEC vs. PAC 10; or SEC vs. Big-12?

Before we get to the answer...

First, here's some background information from wikipedia.org/wiki/College_basketball about College Basketball.

Dr. James Naismith is commonly credited with "inventing" the game of basketball in 1891. The first college basketball team is thought to have been a team from Geneva college which played its first game against New Brighten YMCA in Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania on April 8, 1893. Geneva College won the game.

The first basketball game between two colleges was played on February 9, 1895 when the Minnesota State School of Agriculture (which is now the University of Minnesota, St. Paul campus) beat Hamline College by a score of 9 to 3.

In these early years, there were usually seven to nine players on each team. The first intercollegiate game with five players on each team happened in Iowa City, Iowa in 1896, when the University of Chicago defeated the University of Iowa 15 to 12.

By the turn of the 20th Century, college basketball had become popular enough that colleges started to form basketball leagues. The NCAA was founded in the city of Chicago in 1906.

The first NCAA Men's College Basketball Championship tournament was played in Evanston, Illinois in 1939. 5500 fans were in attendance. In that first NCAA Basketball Tournament, Oregon won the National Championship by defeating Ohio State 46 to 33 in the final game of the tournament.

Thus began the annual college basketball tradition no known as "March Madness" which is today one of the top sporting events in America. For more information about that event, click March Madness.

So, which conference has the best all time NCAA basketball conference record?

The answer: THE BIG EAST.

College basketball fans know the Big East has 16 teams in its basketball conference. This compares with the other major college basketball conferences that have between ten and twelve teams.

So, it is not surprising that the Big East, as a basketball conference, has the most wins all-time. But, more significantly, the Big East also has the highest percentage of wins all time. So the Big East clearly has the best all time NCAA basketball conference record.

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Here is the ranking of the major NCAA basketball conferences by all time winning percentage and number of all-time wins and losses.

1. Big East - .619 (21,125 ? 13,019) St. John's leads with 1705 wins (#5 all-time)

2. ACC - .590 (14,789 ? 10,289) North Carolina leads with 1914 (#2 all-time) wins; Duke -- 1818 (#4 all-time)

3. Pac 10 - .580 (13,719 ? 9,931) UCLA leads with 1530 wins; Oregon State -- 1529

4. SEC - .57923 (15,236 ? 11,068) The Kentucky Wildcats lead the nation with 1948 all time wins

5. Big Ten - .57918 (14,417 ? 10,475) Indiana leads with 1555 wins

6. Big-12 - .566 (15,434 ? 11,823) Kansas leads with 1906 wins (#3 all-time). Note the Big-12 is actually # 2 in all time wins, but # 6 in winning percentage.

Now that we've determined who has the best all time NCAA basketball conference record -- are you wondering which conference has the most schools in the top 50 in all time college basketball wins? Here's the answer:

1. Big Ten -- 8

2. Big East ? 7

3. Pac 10 ? 6

3. Big-12 ? 6

5. SEC ? 5

6. ACC ? 3

But, the SEC has bragging rights for the #1, all time winningest team with 1948 wins through 2007. The ACC can brag that it has two of the top four all time winners with the North Carolina Tarheels at # 2 (1914 wins) and the Duke Blue Devils at # 4 (1818 wins).

Some would argue that determining which conference has the best all time NCAA basketball conference record, you should look at winning percentages, rather than total wins. So, how bout all-time winning percentage?

Which conference has the most teams in the top fifty in all-time college basketball wins by winning percentage? Here you go.

1. Big East ? 12 WOW!!

2. SEC ? 4

3. ACC ? 3

3. Big Ten ? 3

3. Big-12 ? 3

6. Pac 10 ? 2

Again, though, Kentucky is # 1 with a .764 all time winning percentage; North Carolina is # 2 at .732; Duke is # 4 at .694

The statistics provided on this page were compiled largely from information published by the NCAA at http://www.ncaa.org/stats/m-basketball and (except as otherwise noted) are based on statistics compiled through the 2004 season (although most of the individual teams listed above are current win totals as of the beginning of the 2007-2008 season.

You may have read our current college basketball rankings at SEC Basketball.

If so, you may wonder how the all time statistics on this page can support our current rankings.

Of course they don't. The answer is that our current rankings rely heavily on last years NCAA Basketball Championship results.

March Madness 2006 showcased the recent strength of SEC basketball. The Southeastern Conference had two of the four teams in the Final Four (The Florida Gators and LSU Tigers and the Gators won the Championship. This is why we rank the SEC #2 currently.

Finally, we have received questions about which teams we counted for which time periods. Obviously, over the years teams have switched conferences. So, the question is, which conference should that team's record count for? We decided that, for our purposes, we would base the statistics on teams currently in the conference. So, even though Louisville (for instance) only recently joined the Big East, the Big East gets credit for all of Louisville's basketball history.

**PVVikings2006** · January 15th, 2008, 11:32 AM

It's like like deja vu all over again

That's what Yogi Berra would say if he were still with us.

Monday night, the Florida Gators beat Ohio State for the NCAA Championship.

Seems like we've heard that before somewhere. Oh, yea, it happened on another Monday night, less than three months ago, when the Gators beat the Buckeye's to win the college football title. Now, they've done the same thing in college basketball.

But this game, the Florida Gators basketball championship, means a lot more.

Why?

Well, for one thing, this is the second straight college basketball championship for Florida. They proved they are the best college basketball team and none of their tournament games were ever really in doubt.

But, more significantly, the win places the Gators in the same class as some of the top college basketball teams ever. No one has won consecutive college basketball championships since the Duke Blue Devils did it fifteen years ago.

Before that, you have to go back to John Wooden's UCLA teams of the late 60's and early 70's.

I won't argue that Florida is the best team ever. Maybe yes, maybe no. But, it should be acknowledged that winning back-to-back championships is much tougher now then it was even fifteen years ago.

Why?

There are two major reasons. First, there is more parity in college basketball. Second, the best players are much more likely, today, to go pro before completing four years in college.

It's impossible and unfair to compare teams from different eras, but the Florida Gators should be part of any discussion about the best college basketball team ever.

The NCAA basketball championship also extends the University of Florida's streak as the only school to EVER be the College Football and College Basketball champ at the same time.

But, the most significant thing about the Gators' second straight college basketball championship is it firmly establishes the Southeastern (SEC) conference as the best college basketball conference.

The Southeastern Conference as of now has the best men's basketball team in Florida. They also have the best women's basketball team in the Tennessee Lady Volunteers.

You want history? The SEC has that too. The Kentucky Wildcats have had a couple down years, but they still lead the nation with the most all-time college basketball victories (1949); the highest winning percentage; the most NCAA tournament bids and in total fan attendance.

Until now, I have ranked the ACC as the top overall basketball conference.

But the time has come to recognize the new reality. College basketball is better and more competitive than ever. The ACC and Big East are both great basketball conferences with great histories. The Big Ten, Big-12 and Pac 10 are good too.

But history isn't enough. In the past two years, the ACC has had 0 teams in the Final Four. The Southeastern Conference has had three.

We know about Florida and the Tennessee Lady Vols. But, the conference is much deeper than that. In fact, over the past two years, the SEC has had the best March Madness record of any conference. That is for both the men's and women's NCAA tournaments.

This year, the SEC went 11-4 in the men's tournament. And, two of the losses (Tennessee and Vanderbilt ) were to higher ranked opponents (Ohio State and Georgetown) and the games were decided on last-minute, controversial, plays.

The SEC did even better in the women's tournament, going 15-4. They had the most teams in the Sweet 16 (4); Great 8 (3); and, Final Four (2).

The time has come for the college basketball world to recognize the obvious. The SEC is not just the top football conference. Florida and Tennessee's basketball championships have established the SEC as the best college basketball conference in America. And that is the big story to come out of March Madness 2007.

**PVVikings2006** · January 15th, 2008, 11:36 AM

Which College Conference is the best all time March Madness conference?

How do the college basketball conferences compare? SEC vs. Big Ten; SEC vs. Big East; SEC vs. ACC; SEC vs. PAC 10; and, SEC vs. Big-12?

Before I answer those questions, here's a bit of March Madness history.

Brent Musburger is considered the person who first coined the phrase March Madness when referring to the NCAA college basketball championship tournament.

Obviously "March" comes from the fact that the season-ending tournament begins in March each year. The "Madness" aspect of it comes from the fact that the best (generally) 65 college basketball teams square off in a single-elimination tournament over the space of 3 weekends.

The tournament is also sometimes referred to as "The Big Dance." Especially on the tournament's first weekend, it is common to have four different games being played at the same time ? in three different time zones. The television network lucky enough to have the TV rights will jump from game to game ? adding to the excitement.

Most college basketball fans loved when ESPN covered the first round as they would often show four games at once on a 4-way split TV screen. However, recently CBS has usually won the March Madness contract and has not offered such lively coverage.

March Madness begins on "Selection Sunday" when 65 college basketball teams are selected for the tournament and seeded from 1 to 16 in four separate regions. [The 64th and 65th seeded teams play a "play-in" game to determine which of the two gets to play in the first round.]
The first weekend of the tournament consists of two rounds of games which bring the field down to 16 teams that advance to the "Sweet 16."

The second Sweet 16 weekend consists of two more rounds of game that reduce the field to the "Final Four."

On the final weekend, the Final Four teams square off, producing two winners who then play each other for the NCAA Division I College Basketball Championship.

The first Men's NCAA Basketball Championship Tournament was held in 1939. Since then, it has expanded several times, from 8 teams, in the first tournament, to 65 today.

In determining which is the best all-time March Madness conference, we obviously first look at which college basketball conference has had the most teams selected, all-time, for the tournament.

The answer: THE BIG EAST.
Of course, the Big East has 16 teams in its basketball conference. This compares with the other major college basketball conferences which all have between ten and twelve teams.

Still, even if you divide the number of conference teams by the number of bids, the Big East still comes out on top with an average of 20.88 all time bids per team.

This compares to the # 2 conference (ACC) which averages 17.08 all time NCAA tournament bids per team. The Big Ten, with only 11 schools, averages 17.55 bids per team.

So, here is the ranking, by conference, of the number of all-time March Madness bids:

1. Big East (334) Louisville leads with 32; Syracuse -- 31

2. ACC (205) North Carolina leads with 38; Duke -- 30

3. Big-12 (201) Kansas leads with 35

4. Big Ten (193) Indiana leads with 33. Northwestern is the only team in any of the major basketball conferences to have NEVER been invited to the Big Dance. Northwestern had a good basketball program in the 1930's -- before March Madness started. They've had no basketball glory since.

5. SEC (187) The Kentucky Wildcats lead the nation with 48

6. Pac 10 (158) UCLA leads with 40

The second step in determining which is the best all time March Madness conference is to consider which conference has had the most teams, all time, make it to the Final Four?

The answer:

1. ACC (41) North Carolina leads with 16 (tied with UCLA for # 1 in the nation); Duke ? 14

1. Big Ten (41) Ohio State leads with 10; Indiana ? 8

1. Big East (41) Louisville leads with 8

4. Big-12 (34) Kansas leads with 12

5. Pac 10 (32) UCLA leads with 17

6. SEC (29) Kentucky leads with 13

Notice the 3-way tie for first place between the ACC, Big Ten and Big East.

The final step in determining which is the best all time March Madness conference is to find out which conference has had the most teams, all-time, win the NCAA Basketball Tournament?

The answer:

1. Pac 10 (15) UCLA leads the nation with 11

2. ACC (10) UNC leads with 4; Duke has 3

3. Big East (10)

4. Big Ten (10) Indiana leads with 5

5. SEC (10) Kentucky leads with 7

6. Big-12 (4)

So, which is the best all time March Madness conference?

Clearly, it's a matter of opinion. But, the Big East leads in the number of all-time bids and is tied for the number of teams in the all-time Final Four. They are in the middle of the pack for all-time championships. But, they have more teams who have done it (7) than anyone else. Some of the other conferences have been historically led by one or two teams. The Big East has historically had greater depth at the top of their conference ? as far as performance in March Madness.

So, I say the Big East is the best all time March Madness conference. But, certainly the ACC has a strong argument that it is the best all timeMarch Madness conference.

**PVVikings2006** · January 15th, 2008, 11:51 AM

it still brought up a lot of good points.

When talking of SEC football vs. ACC football... overall the point was made that SEC has the most history and tradition... which in point is true. The SEC has been seen as the conference of the .. well the southern United States.. and that encompasses some very strong football territory. Which when looking at the overall picture is why you can easily say that the SEC is the best football conference because of the athletes that they get. Not only from other regions but also from areas close to home.

The ACC was not known as much of a strong ACC power in football until Florida State joined.. and the point made on here that Florida State joined the ACC because they knew they could dominate was a valid one. Enter Frank Beamer who has taken a Virginia Tech team that was made into a Big East power... at a time when Syracuse, Boston College and Miami were also very strong... and made them strong contenders .. then champions in that conference... then with VT, Miami, and Boston College entering the mix in the ACC with Florida State, the conference automatically has legitimacy as the beginnings of a great football conference. With time I believe that the ACC will become overall what the SEC is now. But the SEC is firmly entrenched in the South... and the football played in the South is power football.... the East Coast more finesse. This is my opinion on the matter. These are just views that I have on the matter.

To me it is the opposite in basketball. Yes the SEC has has a lot of recent success in basketball as well.. but they are much like the ACC in football. Overall they do not have the history and tradition that the ACC has. The SEC does have strong powers in Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Vanderbilt, and sometimes Georgia. Ole Miss, Arkansas, LSU have all had great programs..... and as of recently all of these programs are enjoying some type of success. But when it comes to overall history and tradition in basketball, it is hard to overlook the ACC for that... if we are talking SEC vs. ACC. These are my opinions though. I know other people will be able to make further comments against or for this discussion... and I welcome them all. This is just my opinion though.

**PVVikings2006** · January 15th, 2008, 12:26 PM

Rank School G Attendance Average
1. Kentucky 16 23,421
2. Syracuse 22 21,516
3. North Carolina 17 20,693
4. Tennessee 16 19,661
5. Louisville 20 18,488
6. Ohio St. 18 17,530
7. Wisconsin 19 17,190
8. Maryland 19 16,822
9. Arkansas 16 16,720
10. Illinois 17 16,618
11. Indiana 15 16,474
12. Kansas 18 16,300
13. Creighton 14 15,909
14. Marquette 20 15,345
15. Michigan St. 19 14,759
16. Memphis 19 14,527
17. Arizona 16 14,202
18. North Carolina St. 20 13,952
19. Virginia 17 13,521
20. Connecticut 20 13,012
21. Oklahoma St. 18 13,008
22. Texas 16 12,969
23. New Mexico 18 12,853
24. South Carolina 17 12,838
25. Iowa St. 17 12,489
26. Kansas St. 17 12,301
27. Alabama 16 12,285
28. Dayton 17 12,266
29. Iowa 16 12,196
30. Brigham Young 17 12,073
31. Vanderbilt 17 12,030
32. Florida 18 11,826
33. Fresno St. 18 11,713
34. Pittsburgh 18 11,611
35. UNLV 20 11,354
36. Purdue 17 11,352
37. Minnesota 17 10,974
38. Villanova 14 10,706
39. Nebraska 16 10,584
40. Wichita St. 15 10,478
41. Georgetown 17 10,441
42. UCLA 16 10,428
43. Wake Forest 17 10,294
44. DePaul 16 10,145
45. Oklahoma 16 10,023
46. Texas Tech 16 10,010
47. LSU 18 10,002
48. Michigan 21 9,968
49. Washington 19 9,911
50. Xavier 15 9,910
51. Virginia Tech 15 9,822
52. Texas A&M 19 9,812
53. Bradley 17 9,728
54. St. Louis 15 9,667
55. Utah 15 9,522
56. West Virginia 18 9,420
57. New Mexico St. 20 9,413
58. Duke 19 9,314
59. Georgia Tech 17 9,191
60. Notre Dame 18 9,027
61. Nevada 16 8,903
62. Mississippi St. 19 8,882
63. Cincinnati 18 8,831
64. UTEP 18 8,707
65. California 15 8,443
66. Utah St. 14 8,438
67. Oregon 18 8,421
68. Providence 19 8,410
69. Missouri 19 8,243
70. Penn St. 19 7,989
71. San Diego St. 16 7,821
72. Southern Ill. 13 7,743
73. Florida St. 19 7,496
74. Georgia 18 7,336
75. Clemson 20 7,329
76. Washington St. 15 7,177
77. Missouri St. 17 7,176
78. Stanford 17 7,071
79. Arizona St. 18 6,931
80. St. John's (N.Y.) 19 6,920
81. Boston College 18 6,916
82. George Mason 13 6,834
83. Seton Hall 16 6,636
84. Oral Roberts 14 6,484
85. Hawaii 16 6,435
86. Gonzaga 13 6,406
87. UNI 14 6,298
88. Old Dominion 17 6,227
89. Wyoming 14 6,069
90. Baylor 18 6,065
91. Charlotte 14 6,026
92. Massachusetts 14 5,967
93. Wright St. 15 5,864
94. Siena 14 5,834
95. Southern California 18 5,798
96. Toledo 11 5,751
97. Butler 15 5,734
98. VCU 14 5,640
99. Evansville 15 5,494
100. Drake 15 5,458

**pvfan** · January 15th, 2008, 12:55 PM

SEC>ACC in football ACC>SEC in basketball. The SEC always seems to have one dominate team in basketball while the ACC has a legit shot to send two teams to the final four nearly every season.